Peace out, man.
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Reply to A Dream
Drumf’s stablecoin: worse than CBDCs!
How far the totalitarians will go remains to be seen.
Want a revolution?
USE ONLY CASH
I’m 70 years old and have been using only cash/debit only for more than 40 years. Through the years I’ve paid off car and house loans and other major big purchases (Home Depot, Lowe’s, and other major companies for home upgrades etc). I was maintaining the highest FICO/credit score for years. As when I did apply for credit, I the paid the intial balances in full on the first payments. Thus, maintaining good/excellent credit scores.
Since, I know longer am making any major purchases using any issued credit cards my FICO score is declining. Though, I’ve kept a few of the credit cards open they haven’t been used for years. As I was told closing them would lower my credit scores. However, my credit scores are currently declining. I’m
sure is due to NOT using credit and only paying cash.
I’m not understanding how using only cash wether you are ‘red’ or ‘blue’ during any blue or red regimes lowers credit scores. As my once excellent score has been declining since I don’t use cash.

Reply to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCrw7v6Worc
I’m personally an advocate for immigrants here locally. I just thought it might be educational for those of us who’s doom scrolling has clouded our memories. The establishment democrats (and republicans) are playing a game with us where we are but pawns in a billionaire’s racket.
Hegelian dialectic: Problem/Reaction/Solution
Dem establishement creates the “surge”, naturally problems will arise in communities unable to handle such a surge, chaos ensues (and wages conveniently suppressed across the board), and now the Trump wagon rolls in to implement the technocratic biometric real-time all-seeing-eye of a surveillance system (a la Palantir etc.) as the solution.
The “Biden” administration couldn’t quite get their “Covid vaccine card” (to track your monthly bio-compliance) biometric tracking system in place for the bilionaire technocrats, so they create a “problem” that Trump can conveniently find a “solution” to. And they get to rip our communities down the middle as a bonus.
Technocracy incoming. Bipartisan cooperation. How exemplary.
The revolution will not be televised, let alone promoted 24/7 like this current “no kings” pied piperism. Mean’t to divide us and keep us from coming together on CLASS ISSUES against the Oligarchs. Divide and rule indeed.
The revolution will be local and it will be face to face building community with those very neighbors that the corporate press is goading us to hate.
Don’t be a hater.
Matt
Andy and Chemtrails
An awkward appearance by RFK Jr on the Doctor Phil Show verifies nothing about chemtrails.
Here’s the thing: there’s common technology available to do an extensive double-blind high-atmosphere sample survey that wouldn’t be very costly. Fire up your favorite AI gizmo and enter: “sampling high-altitude air quality.”
Chemtrail folks will never do this of course, because they’d be unable to deal with the shame of spending so much life-energy being a guppy.
The most disturbing part of Andy’s post was his assertion that a local business is part of the conspiracy. No evidence cited. Waking up from a fever dream doesn’t count as research.
Gene Dieken

The Lemming Syndrome
It’s disappointing that the two most consistent contrarian voices on this platform both seem to have contracted Rickles Syndrome: make your point by insulting your audience.
Pictured: Don Rickles, aggressively caustic comedian and actor, 1926-2017

reply to Hate Speech
Here’s how the Cambridge Dictionary defines hate speech: “public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation.”
I have frequently challenged Andy Norris on this platform and I imagine that might put me on Andy’s list of “war pigs.” So what?
I submit that whatever you may think of them, many of Andy’s comments reflect HIS hatred toward things in our society that actually ARE NOT right. He’s not encouraging YOU to hate. Does he go way, way overboard in how he expresses himself? Yes, indeed. Is he too captivated by shiny conspiracy theories, e.g. chemtrails? Yup.
But here’s my point: expression has value and silence can be complicity.
One of the downsides of our utopian tri-village community is that we spend too much effort trying to turn it into a virtual gated community, free from the weight of the world. The latest example on this platform was a request by john@bainassociatesinc.com to “depoliticize [BBQ]… so that it can serve the needs of the users without triggering acrimony or conflict.”
We LIVE in an era of acrimony, conflict and loss of basic rights! How does it serve us to ban any mention of this in a public forum?
Grow a spine! Far worse is yet to come.
Gene Dieken

Reply to B’ McLoughlins post’–that’s McLaughlin
Much gratitude for you and Chuck and your tireless work of building community. BBQ is one thing I read almost every day, a combination of postings and color! photos of stuff for sale, and interesting soicological perspectives, with the frequent beautiful poem thrown in. I am educated by the opinions regarding local goings-on. And sometimes I even get it together to drive from Astoria to catch a play or workshop, thanks to your BBQ. I am not on social media, so for me, it’s an artery of info.
I am, and always have been, charmed by your grace and charity, and your generosity of spirit. Thank you so much for giving us this amazing gift for so many days and years!
Love, Sue Skinner
Reply to B’ McLoughlins post’
If I were a new or even old director of an agency I would also deny that social security fraud was happening. The most likely truth is that there is always some fraud in every agency that pays out money.
There are and will be problems with the DOGE audit. I do not feel positive with the shutting down of some SS centers around the United States, and it is true that the elderly, which definitely includes me, have problems with using the internet. I rely on my kids for help. I just tested out a web site that was supposed to show social security offices around the country, wondering if the one in Warrenton is targeted for closurel Probably too soon to tell! This web site wanted you to PAY for the information – 5 bucks – and has a place where you needed to put in your credit card info!! That is so frustrating! Of course I would not pay for that info, it should be free. I am definitely sure that site was not a SS web page. Despite problems and the accompaning hysteria about DOGE. I am all for it – I want a DOGE for Oregon!! It is good for citizens to keep their governments honest!
What’s happening in the USA…
I’m not writing to agree or disagree with the poster.
I’m writing to suggest that this site stay apolitical so that it can serve the needs of the users without triggering acrimony or conflict.
There are plenty of sites where political issues are welcome.
As a practical matter, no one is learning from the sort of post in the most recent issue. Those who agree, agree, those who don’t won’t.
The post wasn’t a call for engagement or debate. So what was it? What was the point? What does the poster want to happen?
This isn’t a free speech issue. The poster is certainly free to post anything, anywhere, any time that the platform allows it.
It reminds me of my neighbor’s dog in the city. It barks loudly and that is all it could do, is bark. We already know it’s a dog. Everyone knows it’s a dog. Of course the dog’s excuse is a brain the size of a walnut. Hmmm.
Feel free to message me if political commentary is a direction the users want to go. I’m happy to no longer participate.
Democrats Destroyed Ukraine
The total Soviet population from the somewhat-reliable 1939 census was 170,500,000, so clearly, 50,000,000 military war losses is way off.
Generally agreed upon Soviet deaths are estimated to have been 13,000,000 military and 14,000,000 civilian. The largest ethnic groups were Russians and Ukrainians.
Of course these two numbers don’t include Soviet losses incurred from 1939 to 1941 when Russia aligned with the Nazis to take over Poland and the Baltic countries.
Opinions are malleable, facts less so.
Gene Dieken
Below:
Soviet War Memorial in Tiergarten, Berlin

Reply to Medicaid Fraud
Bankruptcy
But now she’s telling us “…and this is what is happening right now – getting a handle on excessive spending. that is what Trump is doing now – getting a handle on excessive spending. Thank god for that. If we go bankrupt, social security medicare, and medicaid will be dumped as America tries to become solvent again… [it’s] a Herculean task that could take decades.”
Meanwhile, GOP Reps in Congress just passed their version of a budget bill that aims to effectively eliminate Medicaid, throwing millions into pervasive insecurity while preserving trillions in tax cuts for billionaires.
Also, Ms Gainer feels that Elon deserves commendation for performing this Doge miracle for free. Free? Really? Did SpaceX just happen to bump Verizon out of their existing contract with the FFA for air traffic control modernization by chance? Nothing to see here! Move on! “Since you can’t do anything about it – watch fun stuff…”
Probably a good idea to remind yourself occasionally about Ms Gainer’s reliability by reviewing the post by BBQ’s own editors (RIP, beloved Chuck) about her allegations of tainted voter rolls in Oregon during last year’s election cycle:
www.northcoastbbq.com/2024/10/26/response-to-dixie-gainer-about-judicial-watch/
Gene Dieken
I Can hear my heartbeat.
― Raymond Carver
Response to posts on U.S.A.I.D.
1. “The president, much less Elon Musk, cannot shut down a federal agency without a vote by Congress. To do so is illegal under the Constitution.”
2. “More than half U.S.A.I.D.’s spending in 2023 went to health programs intended to stop the spread of diseases such as polio, Ebola, tuberculosis, HIV/AIDS and malaria or to humanitarian assistance to respond to emergencies and help stabilize war-torn regions. If you care about preventing the next pandemic or the pressures of global migration, U.S.A.I.D. is an investment you should want the United States to make.”
What’s happening
One small way to feel less inundated is choosing better words to describe/oppose this takeover. Journalism in the Trump era became feckless because it chose to use inoffensive words to describe offensive behavior.
So personally, I’m not going to use words like “firings” or “layoffs” or “resignations” or “re-orderings” or “buyouts” to describe what’s happening with federal departments, programs, and workers. These are business words and inappropriate to the purges, criminality, clueless/intentional destruction, and despisal of the constitution going on at the hands of these scoundrels.
The words you use can be a mark of your resolve and courage. It was said of Churchill during Britain’s darkest hour in 1940: “He mobilized the English language and sent it into battle.”
Gene Dieken
Respose to
DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) is kind of table salt for rightwing conspiracy theories. Just shake on a little DEI and every allegation is much more savory!
For better answers about aviation accidents I recommend checking out Juan Browne at the Blancolirio channel on Youtube. Browne is a current Boeing 777 airline second officer who also provides thorough analysis of every incident, big and small.
DC incident:
https://youtu.be/n9mAUks0krI?si=rJ1gAxaCj4_g6vk-
Philadelphia incident:
https://youtu.be/u6_bLhBMngY?si=_t75OpV0gc1b4IP1
And here, I will say I do not trust Elon Musk being anywhere near the FAA. He hates it with a dark passion because the staff regulates safety and other aspects of his rocket business.
Gene Dieken
Continuing with an expanding earth
I watched the hour plus rant, — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5sDo9ffl_E — and found the presentation disjointed and condescending. The presenter seems more focused on emphasizing that only an ignorant fool would consider such a concept because plate tectonics is obviously accepted as fact, whereas the whole point is to question what is accepted and it seems there are aspects that are questionable.
There are many examples throughout history of theories that harden into facts and are used by scholars to build whole institutions of research which then are forced to change as new perspectives are introduced. It happens through debate and it can be, and often is heated because of invested funds and egos. An example would be the idea of conformatism, that earth changes have always been slow, measured in eons, but with the exponential increase of tools to collect and collate data, ideas that magnetic reversals and cosmic impacts, including solar blasts, can occur far more often than previously thought, and are being accepted. It now appears that our planet’s history is peppered with events that literally changed the world, overnight in some cases, and not only are these recorded in the bones of the earth itself but painted on cave walls, in oral traditions and text. Old mysteries give up their secrets.
With the use of LIDAR imaging it’s now obvious that much of the Amazonian basin was once inhabited by a vast, complex society and the present forest is the remains of their runaway gardens. The point is that our planet, and in fact all of our sibling planets and their moons are offering up new perspectives daily on basic heavenly body mechanics. Our inclusion of plasma energy in an electric universe shows us how systems spin themselves into being like a cotton candy machine. How hard is it to imagine that a heavenly body can grow or shrink depending on its environment. When we refer to our earth as a living being is this just hyperbole?
On offer below are a few video lessons which show the range of views surrounding the study of earth’s crust. In some areas it’s a hot topic and if you are intrigued, consider these as just cracks in the door of earth sciences.
This presentation is similar to the one mentioned above and disputes the concept of expansion but is much more nuanced and provides details and history that helps with context. These are not simple studies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMOeFcff2ws&t=415s
Here is another example of dismissal out of hand using “accepted hypothesis” and theory as proof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epwg6Od49e8&list=PLP7MGT6-gD1SLSYYfPdbxgFRhivKgmVnr
Here is another presentation which stacks theory on top of theory and shows just how wide open the foundation on which continental drift theory rests.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81KDvZ3B_ts
This lesson does a good job of detailing the mechanism of spreading ocean floors, which is a well known feature of our living planet. 12 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgYpZEacLuk&t=504s
Here is an observational documentary which explores many of those questionable aspects of the continental drift theory in some detail. This is an easy one to watch. 25 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9CQnFPnDls&t=469s
Another professor with questions. 25 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Othb0xsvZb4
Some major problems with plate tectonics. 8 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qoTs7w22r4
Plate tectonics at 55; not set in stone. Dr. James Kieth. This one requires focus because it gets into details
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTM01tML0IY
Modeling the earth’s geology just using data. Maxwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO609uOKM2I
Expanding Earth Theory Debunked and Tectonic Plates Explained
The video is on the long side but that might be because it contains actual scientific information while being respectful towards Neal Adams.
Biden’s Farewell Address
First let me acknowledge that Ms Gainer has many times demonstrated her fealty to what one might call the traditional Republican Party, the party that would be familiar to those in their mid-30s and older. I never supported that GOP, but it did have some reassuring qualities. I’ll simply assert here that that party no longer exists and has been replaced by something far darker.
Now about the Pauls. Both former Congressman Ron and current Senator Rand are proponents of the so-called Libertarian movement, an incomplete philosophy that strove for maximum liberty, minimum government, and no responsibility being placed on the wealthy/powerful who benefit maximally from the society created by every citizen (the commonweal). Libertarianism is now not much liked across the political spectrum except for the Silicon Valley/tech-bro community such as Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance, Larry Ellison, etc. who have rebranded it as “techno-utopianism.”
More important for this conversation, the Pauls are known to be emphatic supporters of (if not agents for) Russia. The quiet part has been said out loud, many time over the years. This has been a very noticeable trend in the GOP for years (google: Maria Butina) and now shapes Donald Trump’s policy toward Russia (google: Helsinki Summit). Thus I won’t ascribe much trustworthiness to anything either Paul says. And I’ll also assert here that the above-mentioned tech-bros have more connection with Russia than we should be comfortable with (google: Musk calls Putin regularly).
Biden’s recent authorization to use US weapons across the Ukraine border IS troubling. But the US and NATO have resisted this for three years as the Russians carried on an aerial war of obliteration largely against civilian targets in Ukraine. Russia and Syria worked this same game plan in Syria as Assad obliterated nearly the entire city of Aleppo over the years. Same game plan in Grozny, Chechnya. Where do we draw lines? It’s pretty clear where the once and future President and his captured GOP will draw them.
Gene
Please note that Dixie Gainer is NOT your friendly Manzanita wine merchant.
Glad to see someone confront Dixie
Anyway. More of us really should be countering and debating a lot of the straight up lies being spread here.
Wagner Ware Magnalite Roasterette
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Bravo
Response to Manzanita Water Fund
Based on the salaries of these two positions, the City Manager should be reimbursed approximately $33,000 and the Accounting Clerk $22,000 for their respective time in their administrative support roles of the Water Fund. That leaves about $144,000 this budget year for your toner, paper, share of City Hall electricity, Water Fund cost share for a new printer every 3-4 years etc. Please do some better research to show how your narrative describing overhead allocation aligns with the dollars being transferred out of the Water Fund for the support services being described.
Remember Mr John Kunkle, the retired City Manager the Council hired as an interim prior to Ms Aman? For almost a year Mr Kunkle led the City which of course included providing his administrative support to the Water Fund doing all those tasks that the author has identified. At the end of his service with the City, Mr Kunkle estimated that he spent approximately 10-15% of his time in this activity. So just 3 years ago based on the salary Mr Kunkle was receiving, the Water Fund would have been reimbursing the City Manager $8,400 – $12,600 for these services.
Remember when Mr Kunkle told the City Council that he wouldn’t be making the transfer of $113,675 from the Water Fund to the City Hall Expansion Fund that the Budget Committee recommended and Council wanted to make because there was no justification for it?
With the use of money from the Water Fund coming under greater scrutiny, more creative explanations seem to have been found to keep the money flowing into the General Fund. After all, those debt payments starting next year on the loan for the new City Hall have to be paid and the banks do not care which City Fund the money comes from.
Randy Kugler
CHUCK SO GRATEFUL TO YOU
Dear Chuck and Barbara I have appreciated very much bbq. it has showed the pulse of the coast.
Yes to Diversity in our Learning discoveries Opening our Minds sharing those without fear of being shamed
Can we go from detesting to Caring
corinna & Daniel
Concuring with both Kathie and Judith
Concuring with both recent posts from Kathie and Judith.
Diane

Singing lessons
Do you have experience with Credo Mobile
I’m considering changing from my current cell service to Credo Mobile. I was hoping to hear from folks who currently have Credo and learn about their experience with reception, etc.
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Thanks!
Thank You Manzanita Transfer Station Employees!!!
i find the employees at the Manzanita Transfer Station always friendly, cheerful and helpful.
i ditto paul’s appreciation.
om peace namaste
lucy brook
nehalem resident
Thank You Manzanita Transfer Station Employees!!!
Posted on July 15, 2024 by North Coast BBQ
Submitted By: badplaceforastump@gmail.com – Click to email about this post
I want to let the workers at the transfer station (I haven’t lived here long enough to call it CARTM) know how much I appreciate them. Though they’ve been hit by illness and weren’t open Thursday, they’ve been open the past two days, which I don’t think has been all that easy. In normal times I really enjoy going there, as they are a fine, fine bunch of folks, but to be able to do a few dump runs when they are not at full strength makes me appreciate them all the more!
Paul
yes to
Kit Keating