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Continuing climate education

From past experiences I know it can be difficult to debate complex issues without it turning into a contest to pile up the most “reliable” sources; yours are valid, mine are not. This is especially true when an issue is polarized. The only honest way to resolve this is to actually visit the sources and judge the validity of the data.

I suggest we accept that the climate of a whole planet, not just local weather or local phenomena, is a very, very complex, ongoing study. From the earth’s core, through its various layers of “matter”, through its oceans and the oceans of vapors without, all the way through to the exosphere, out to the sun and beyond, it is all connected and interactive. This is a fact, these systems are all interrelated and there are numerous mechanisms that have major influences. These mechanisms are all complex studies by themselves, so assessing all the data to paint a climate picture, requires rare individuals. Some of us do research we are capable of and defer to “experts” to see if our understanding fits into the puzzle. Most of us simply choose a picture we resonate with.

I believe the main point of the movie, CLIMATE: THE MOVIE (The Cold Truth), is

to consider whether or not human activity, specifically anything related to Co2, is causing catastrophic global warming, which in turn results in all the perceived extreme weather phenomena. This is the focus of the movie because there are policies and programs, enacted and supported by governing bodies, both elected and un-elected, being rolled out right now relating to energy, food production and transportation, which will affect every nation on the planet. It would seem to be a foundational question to answer correctly. To be clear, the producers and presenters of the movie are not making any claims that we should continue generating and consuming energy as we are forever, or that we are not polluting our world. They are saying that Co2 is not pollution, although it can be the result of polluting practices, and that the “world” is not overheating. This is an important distinction. They are concerned that the facts are being misconstrued to create fear and panic, making it seems imperative to follow these policy solutions because we are running out of time.

The question is always credentials. Are the experts in the film really experts, published and well received lecturers? Who backs them financially? What about all the graphs? Lots of home work for the interested students and if the sources and records compiled by all those agencies for decades appear to be trustworthy, the big question becomes, why is their narrative so different from what is generally accepted? A critical thinker might want to note whether or not there has been any censorship and if so, why?

What about the credentials of the other experts? What about their charts and graphs? Who finances them? Anyone who was born after 1980, has heard all their life that the planet will warm past livability by, well, that date keeps moving ahead, but it’s coming, unless we stop stomping around with our oversized carbon footprint. The claim is that without question, absolutely, greenhouse gasses are causing the whole world to overheat and we are facing unprecedented loss of habitats, species and life in general. When was this idea first floated through the news and by whom? When was the IPCC, (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), created?, by whom?, and did it function openly without bias or censorship? How do it’s initial computer models match up with all of the actual field data now? More work for the serious student. I can assure you, anything but the Co2, overheating narrative was heavily censored and swept under the ‘big oil’ propaganda rug which is why even suggesting another perspective elicits ‘flat earth’ labels.

We should seriously consider how ideas become generally accepted. We should learn if and how ideas are censored. It’s clearly evident that many ideas have been embraced whole heartedly by this and other nations which later turned out to be very bad for species, habitats and life in general. They were presented to the people as big, bold responses by our government to perceived threats but it turns out the people were misled. Misled as in lied to. Does it come as a surprise that government agencies mislead their people if there are powerful interests to consider, to invest in? I think one must be aware of the hand in glove relationship between powerful agencies and the “press”, to understand how a nation accepts ideas or narratives. It’s true what they say about repeating lies often enough but we aren’t concerned about why people have been misled in this review but rather, do the facts show that they have been.

Two things regarding news and how it can affirm ones belief in anything, must be kept in mind. First, the speed with which it travels now, and second, our devices that receive the news are ubiquitous. Those who own the feeds, especially the major networks have tremendous power to lead a population. There are countless news worthy events occurring endlessly and somebody chooses which events are shared and how. This has always been the case but in 2024 it’s x1000 . A massive array of amplifiers can easily squelch a little bullhorn.

So, climate and judging for oneself what to believe. Following are a few factors affecting our climate which can be learned through research and listening to lectures. These drivers supersede any human activity, and any climatologist that does not include these in their conclusions is suspect.

SUN- The first regular influence in our climate is our sun. Our relationship

is much more than simple radiance, tilt and elliptic. The electromagnetic

interaction penetrates and reacts with our planets circuits at all levels, from

the exosphere down to the core. The sun has cycles. It flips its polarity every

eleven years which alters its spots and holes which influence our climate. We

have four hundred years of records showing the suns electrocardiogram, and how

it affects our world. The other members of our solar family all exhibit cyclical

effects keyed to the sun. How robust the sun is greatly affects rain patterns but

not as one might first think. It’s not only by its radiance or heat output but rather

by its ability to shield us from raw cosmic radiation. A stronger sun

means less turbulence for the planets and more stable weather patterns. A weak sun

and we are battered, which increases cloud formation meaning much more

precipitation in all it’s forms. Radiation storms influence volcanism which in turn

creates more clouds and rain. Cloud cover cools the atmosphere.

CYCLES- There are perturbations, push and pulls within our little solar system which

result in cyclical, predictable changes for our planet. The time between these events

is longer but consistent, like our earthly tides. These events are recorded

all over the planet and our abilities to find and collate these data has increased

exponentially. What we know now compared to 1980 is really worth comparing.

Some of the newest data indicates that there are cyclical waves of energy from the

central “sun” of our galaxy, which sync up with our climate records. To think

our planet does not experience recurring patterns that are as regular as the hours of

our day, the weeks of our year or our decades is to deny the fascinating work done

in only the past thirty or forty years. The research into the ‘Younger Dryas

Event’ is an excellent example of multiple disciplines clarifying our earth’s

History.

EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD- Our planets magnetic field is in transition. It’s a simple

thing to Google, “ earths magnetic pole movements and the South Atlantic

Anomaly”. You will find that the North Pole is exponentially moving from

it’s location above Canada, where it has been for as long as we have been mapping

it, across the Bearing Sea, towards Northern Siberia. The South Pole is likewise

moving with increased speed towards the north, aiming for the Indian ocean. The

‘ field’ strength in the South Atlantic Anomaly is diminishing as it’s area is

widening. This is happening, and it is having powerful effects on climate as we

we receive Coronal Mass Ejections, (CMEs),

and Coronal hole wind streams of charged particles at earth. Some of that

energy reaches us in minutes and others in a couple days, and the result is

jet streams that normally keep in their expected latitudes turn into

waving ribbons that swoop up over the poles and back down towards the tropics.

This causes unseasonable patterns and extremes. Eelectric signals precurse

earthquakes, something suspected for many years, is now being recognized by

seismologists; another example of the our earth and sun connection.

The major influences above must be factored into any discussion of what drives our planets climate. They are pervasive and overriding, beyond the ability for ‘man’ to control but knowing the cycles will help us prepare for the changes they bring.

HUMAN ACTIVITY- We are undeniably straining our ecosystem. Tearing up and

sucking out what we have chosen to fuel our mad 20th century dash – that’s

when we shifted into higher gears – to control everything and dominate each

other, is looking suicidal. We should reconsider where and how we

build our homes and cities, how we produce food, power, building materials,

manage our forests and water, and above all, the big dot many throughout

the world are beginning to connect, how we treat each other. It would be much

easier to share solutions to our freefall into consumption if we could stop making

war our major business.

Climate is extremely complex. Far to complex to reduce it’s driver to overheating caused by greenhouse gasses alone and yet, we can’t go ten minutes without someone attributing any adverse phenomenon to Co2, which started as global warming, morphed into climate change and is now so critical that drastic measures must be taken by all of humanity because we might already be past the tipping point! It’s like having your home fire alarms all go off at once and you can’t make them stop; very difficult to think clearly!

I don’t think any of the experts presenting their perspectives in this movie deny that climate changes. But none of them think Co2 has much to do with it. The fact that insurance companies are scrambling to cover claims does not prove that Co2 is to blame for whatever disaster struck. Is melting permafrost really unimaginable, never occurred before, ever? Are all the ocean levels rising? Really? We might want to look at the data on that one. Does the fact that PPL is raising its rates to protect the lines from fire prove that Co2 is the cause of wild fires? Perhaps human development has become so widespread, it is the reason we are incurring more disasters. Is Greenland, (all of it!) really melting? Because that’s what it sounds like. How about those Polar bears? Search ‘polar bear populations’ and be surprised. How about south west Antarctica melting; anything to do with subsurface volcanism?

There are so many factors that influence our climate and greenhouse gasses are way down on the list of drivers. Go head and track down the sources presented in the movie and it becomes evident that Co2 is simply not an issue. BUT, why it has been chosen as the vehicle to usher in a raft of radical, net zero policies is the complicated question we should all be looking at.

Various articles on research:

www.sott.net/article/482243-Climate-models-come-with-dangerous-CO2-warming-baked-in-code-review-finds

www.sott.net/article/484386-Shocking-failures-of-climate-and-covid-science-highlighted-by-critical-new-report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnjozntXnZ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXvBdwmxT2c

www.sott.net/article/480519-The-data-shows-sea-levels-have-been-falling-for-over-100-years-in-Scandinavia-But-the-IPCC-decides-they-re-rising

www.sott.net/article/477283-Will-the-Turkish-earthquake-free-science-from-the-shackles-of-the-statisticians

www.sott.net/article/474563-Northern-Hemisphere-snow-cover-is-2nd-highest-in-17-years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz45fETw078

www.sott.net/article/469997-Is-Australia-experiencing-a-volcanic-winter

www.sott.net/article/461017-Arctic-sea-ice-extent-currently-second-highest-in-15-years-and-growing

www.sott.net/article/460835-Welcome-to-the-New-Economy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJujb-VnaCM

www.sott.net/article/398476-The-Dark-Story-Behind-Man-Made-Global-Warming-Those-Who-Created-it-And-Why

There are plenty more sources out there.

Attachments area
Preview YouTube video Top Facts on Climate Controversy, Fully Explained – See for Yourself!

Preview YouTube video Steven E. Koonin, Ph.D.– What Climate Science Tells Us, What it Doesn’t and Why it Matters.

Preview YouTube video John Christy Climate Change Denial Testimony Highlights May 13

Preview YouTube video Svensmark: The Cloud Mystery

Preview YouTube video The helical model – our solar system is a vortex

Preview YouTube video The Myth of the 97% Consensus

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Everything All in One Place

I want to send a shout out to the city staff and leadership for updating the Planning Commission webpage so that a gal without great computer skills can easily find all the information needed in minutes without crying. The page is super easy to use, has everything in one place and lets you know what the real deal is about any of the land use projects going on in town. I have to say it’s a huge improvement from even a few months ago.

I went on the page to look for information about the Heron’s Rest PUD application and was thrilled to be able to see everything that’s been submitted without having to ask anybody for it.
Records requests can be time consuming for city staff and expensive for the city so the more information that’s digitized, the better for everyone.

It’s like a whole new world on the Planning Commission’s page.

If you want to know what’s happening with building in town it’s the place to find out the details. You can see what’s been proposed, whether an application is complete or not, and if it’s been approved.

There are case numbers assigned to each application plus the location of the project in town so you can easily find what you’re looking for and see all the materials that have been submitted by clicking on each link. You can also see archived PC meetings for the approved applications.

There are clearly written instructions for providing public comment in writing or at a meeting so that your comments are on the record. Letters of public comment are uploaded into the files in intervals as they come in by Scott and Chris until the public hearing for the application closes.

All these changes make it easy for everyone with access to a computer to do their own research and get the facts straight from the source. Commenting on a project couldn’t be easier. Check it out!

ci.manzanita.or.us/planning-commission/

Kim Rosenberg loretta.kim.rosenberg@gmail.com

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Perhaps I’ve grown a little too emotional, but I’ve been thinking about TCTD (Tillamook County Transportation District) morning and night.
Sometime in the Spring of 2023, a woman joined in on of one of our TillCoDems sessions and said that somebody should run for Transportation District Board in the upcoming special election. I really knew nothing about the functions of the Transportation District Board, but I knew what a bus was. I did not want the position to fall to a Republican by default. So I paid my $10 and registered to contest for Position 1, which was the only position that was just a 2 year term. I liked the idea of having the option of an early exit.
I did not have the money to invest in signs and mailings, so I decided to just talk to people. I made myself a crude “Vote for Me” badge and cards with the same message and I began my campaign.
I started by riding buses, thinking I should learn about what the district does. I felt an instant kinship with the drivers. I pledged to become a voice for the drivers on the board. It wasn’t a reasoned strategic decision; it was just what my heart told me to do.
I won my election. I think I was helped immensely by the fact my opponent was simultaneously contesting in four elections.
The board welcomed me and I found I had a lot to learn. In the campaign, I saw people who promised to make sweeping changes in the District if they were elected. The board doesn’t work that way. First off, there are seven directors. Nothing happens unless a majority agrees. The prime duty of the board is to set and oversee the budget.
TCTD operates with a budget of 5+ million dollars a year. About 2% of that money comes from county property taxes (My house is assessed at $142,820 and I pay $28.57 per year to support the District)., but the bulk of the revenue comes from STIF (State Transportation Improvement Fund) grants. I never really understood the budget. Thankfully, the rest of the board did, because of years of experience on the board and by their professional backgrounds. Day-to-day operation is left to management and the board is not expected to interfere.
From outward appearances, things were working very well. Then one day last month, four of the “Town Loop” routes were abruptly cancelled because of a “driver shortage”. At the board meeting in March, management put on their sad faces and bemoaned the lack of drivers. In April three more routes were cancelled.
It confused me. The District just approved a generous contract for drivers, dispatchers, and mechanics. Working for the District is a well-paying union job with guaranteed raises and good health benefits for full-time employees. There are also part-time positions with no benefits but flexible schedules.
I decided to talk to drivers about their views on the root causes of the shortage. I started riding buses seeking information. The drivers were very professional about not talking about the District in the presence of patrons. I passed out cards with my e-mail and phone number and waited for responses.
I was not prepared for the response I got. I talked to a dozen people, current drivers, and ex-drivers. I also sought advice and background from people outside the District. All the current and ex-employees sang the same song. They all said they loved being a bus driver or dispatcher and were proud to serve the community. All but one, said the methods and messaging of the superintendent drove them away. All said they would return if they did not have to deal with the superintendent.
Each of my conversations lasted more than 45 minutes. Once they knew they had a sympathetic ear they just let go. I learned that the battery on my hand-held extension will not last for an hour and half.
My viewpoint might be flawed, because all I’ve ever been is an employee. I appreciate that management is a delicate balance between being a disciplinarian and a friend. I do know that when I worked for bosses who erred on the side of discipline, I tended to expend minimal effort and look for an early escape. I am very thankful that in my last 15 years at the cheese factory, my bosses struck the right balance, and it made me love my job and I expended maximum effort. I might be there still, but the physical demands of the job broke me down.
I’ve been told I should discount what I heard as “hearsay”. That’s true, but when they all agree and speak in such length, I tend to give it credence.
I’ve also been told I have exceeded the bounds of being a good board member. I guess that’s true.
In my mind, it came down to a choice between being a good board member and retaining my First Amendment rights to speak freely. I will always choose the Constitution. Therefore, I resigned from my position on the board.
From now on, I plan to serve the district as a self-appointed, unofficial Ombudsman. I have not lost my love for the District and its mission.
Truly, there is a nationwide labor shortage. Covid, boomers aging out of the work force and our irrational fear of immigration have created it.
I am not advocating that anybody gets fired for erring on the side of discipline. They are good at most aspects of their jobs and it would not be easy to replace them. They just aren’t good at serving the needs of their employees. I think they’re smart and can learn new ways of doing things.
Yes, there is a horrible driver shortage at TCTD, but it is a self-inflicted wound.